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The Power of Pain with Julia Samuel

by Dr. Rangan Chatterjee   /  September 16, 2020

Caution: contains mild swearing and adult themes

If there is any certainty in life, it is that things will never stay the same, yet so many of us struggle to embrace and accept change. In the conversation today, Julia Samuel, a leading British psychotherapist, with over 3 decades of experience teaches us how we can all adapt and thrive during our most difficult and transformative experiences.

Julia is passionate that pain is the agent of change – whether that’s through grieving someone that has died or through what Julia calls, ‘living losses’ (e.g. loss of job, a health crisis, or as many of us are experiencing at the moment, the loss of a life that we used to lead). We talk about how the way we respond to change, in many ways determines how our lives will unfold. Julia explains how love is powerful medicine and that a strong predictor of outcomes in grief is love and connection to others. We delve into transgenerational trauma, my own journey with grief and, importantly, Julia explains how to talk about death – especially with our children. This is a really enlightening conversation and I hope you get as much from it as I did.

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Julia’s books:

This Too Shall Pass: Stories of Change, Crisis and Hopeful Beginnings

Grief Works: Stories of Life, Death and Surviving

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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee MbChB, BSc (Hons), MRCP, MRCGP